[05:02] <ThirdLateralEye> so my assumption is to find the right combination of prime numbers strings maybe
[05:02] <theplainone> I don't see how they're mutually exclusive
[05:03] <theplainone> all I'm doing is coming up with numbers to try to brute force with, at the end of the day. The crypto methods are very new to me
[05:03] <ThirdLateralEye> because initially there were words instead of numbers (aetereal, shadows, mobius, and so on)
[05:03] <theplainone> mhm, important point
[05:03] <ThirdLateralEye> with simple gemetria you can get a matrix with numbers only, and it is correct for it isthe same matrix of the past puzzles
[05:04] <ThirdLateralEye> and more over, some of the numbers match with words translated in LP
[05:04] <theplainone> which might help lower the computational complexity of decrypting it
[05:04] <theplainone> I'm assuming
[05:05] <ThirdLateralEye> so we can assume that every number in the matrix is the sum of N runes/prime numbers
[05:05] <ThirdLateralEye> so that a sum=word
[05:05] <ThirdLateralEye> are you understanding me?
[05:05] <theplainone> yes
[05:05] <theplainone> perfectly
[05:05] <ThirdLateralEye> nice
[05:06] <theplainone> I'm trying to figure out the order of magnitude for brute forcing with that
[05:06] <ThirdLateralEye> you may talk with tevaum
[05:06] <theplainone> i might
[05:07] <ThirdLateralEye> it is hard to calculate such a bruteforce
[05:07] <ThirdLateralEye> we would need a dictionary :\
[05:07] <theplainone> mmm, I'm just now learning about that actually
[05:07] <ThirdLateralEye> it's not the problem of the algo itself as I understood
[05:07] <ThirdLateralEye> but the fact that we haven't a match above the LP itself
[05:08] <theplainone> oh... I see
[05:08] <ThirdLateralEye> and we may need the entire LP as runeenglish
[05:08] <ThirdLateralEye> because the numbers/sums/words in the matrix are not encrypted
[05:08] <ThirdLateralEye> but follow the simple gematria
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[05:10] <ThirdLateralEye> this bring me to the idea that the whole book should be wrote following the simple gematria, that's why it is Liber Primus because it will be a book of prime numbers strings
[05:10] <ThirdLateralEye> ah! finally i found em! take a look here
[05:10] <ThirdLateralEye>
pastebin.com/3fDYFvBu[05:10] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Orot1 - Pastebin.com ^
[05:10] <harvester> ^ Archived file(s): 3fDYFvBu ^
[05:11] <theplainone> I'll work on that next then, I just finished re transcribing it so I can work on it with python
[05:11] <ThirdLateralEye> look the pastebin i made
[05:12] <theplainone> got it
[05:12] <ThirdLateralEye> that is what i mean
[05:13] <theplainone> yep, I get it
[05:13] <theplainone> dunno if we can do that
[05:13] <theplainone> with the 4x4 though
[05:13] <theplainone> the numbers are large to necessitate being the sum of entire sentences almost
[05:13] <ThirdLateralEye> I don't think it's the way
[05:13] <ThirdLateralEye> nope
[05:14] <ThirdLateralEye> 5x5 follow the same logic because they appeared toghether in past puzzles
[05:14] <theplainone> so the 4x4 has nothing to do with this
[05:14] <ThirdLateralEye> nah I'm sure it hasn't
[05:14] <theplainone> ok, valid point
[05:14] <theplainone> but
[05:14] <theplainone> it's a matrix with a value on it's diagonal highlighted in red
[05:15] <theplainone> which... immediately makes me think of the kind of math associated with that pdf you linked
[05:15] <theplainone> as well as
[05:15] <ThirdLateralEye> the 4x4?
[05:15] <theplainone> the transforms on the symbols of various pages
[05:15] <theplainone> yes
[05:15] <theplainone> rotations and reflections can be expressed as square matrices
pastebin.com/3fDYFvBu
